Re: Clean Water and a Healthy Planet

"nothing added + nothing taken away = nothing accomplished."

Let me repeat. We add copper ions. We add oxidation. We filter out the contaminants. Here are the removal guidelines.

"So which is it you use activated carbon or you don't"

I believe I have very clearly stated that we have a filtration tank that uses GAC. After the water is filtered, it is treated in the chamber which adds copper ions and provides oxidation.

"You don't precipitate the minerals, yet if the water boils it still
creates scale."

When the water boils, the minerals will precipitate out, yes. The breakpoint is 150 degrees F. But they do not cause the type of hard water scale you need to chip off with a chisel or use toxic chemicals to remove. The minerals precipitate out as a fine powder that wipes off easily. More to the point, since this is about appliance/plumbing protection - how many kitchen appliances do you know of that people are concerned about protecting from hard water that actually go above 150 degrees F? We advise hot water heaters be set at 140, which is medium for most. With very few exceptions, washing machines and dishwashers are well below that. So that leaves electric tea pots and coffee makers, which are easily cleaned. Here (scroll down) is a photo of a cross section of pipe before the ECOsmarte system and after. I'd say that's more than protection - that's reduction of existing scale, which the copper ions do very well.

"How does the oxygen "know" which minerals that are
already in their lowest energy state are to be oxidized?"

The oxidation is more of a factor with our well systems than our municipal. For our well systems most of the iron and manganese (metals) will be oxidized out before the water goes through filtration. The oxidation does not remove or precipitate out the minerals. The minerals that were there before going through the system are exactly the same as the minerals there after going through the system. Hardness measurements will be identical before and after treatment of the water. The minerals have been transformed to bicarbonates.

"The WHO is one of those ultra socialist propaganda machines... Please
don't be so naive as to think they're not discussing the 3rd world.
Even though it doesn't say "3rd world" the document drips with 3rd
world problems, sorry, no other conclusion is possible there."

Thanks for the Engineering Curmudgeon's opinion of the World Health Organization. Desalination is a rather expensive solution for third world countries.

"According to the study, (done in Chile BTW, perhaps not truly 3rd
world, but parts are close) 50% detected Cu+2 ion (sulfate, chloride)
in essentially pure water... 50%"

I do not believe you read that correctly. It states "Copper-containing solutions (range 1.0-8.0 mg/l Cu) were prepared in
tap water, distilled deionized water and uncarbonated mineral water....The threshold was defined as the lowest copper concentration detected by 50% of the subjects assessed" It does not state that tests were performed with no copper in the water, which seems to be what you are implying.

I am not an engineer or chemist, nor do I pretend to be. So I cannot engage you in a discussion of the (in)accuracies of our science summary. you win on that one. That does not mean our technology does not work, only that I am not an engineer or a chemist.

The fountain that graces the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion/Mark Taper Forum was plagued by hard water scaling issues. They came to us and asked for help...we solved the problem.

The City of Burbank building that houses all its departments is entirely ECOsmarte Water. They are quite happy with it.

If this technology did not work - how can you explain the 99% satisfaction rate, the return customers and the very healthy growth of our company? We are in all 50 states and at least 46 countries. I know that I have, without exception, satisfied customers, including me. Personal experience: Showering in this water gives me softer hair and skin, I use less soap and detergents, I have no hard water scale and best of all, I am not wasting energy or water. I have no endless monthly service bills to pay (nor are trucks using gas driving to my house) and I'm not adding chlorides to the environment.

The salt industry controls much of the water industry - you can see evidence of that when arriving at the Pacific Water Quality Association show to see a huge banner hanging across the front "Sponsored by Morton Salt". They would like you to believe that poisoning the earth with chlorides (sodium or potassium) is the only answer to hard water problems - it is not. And for goodness sake, even if you must continue to clutch to your water softener for fear that a new technology can't possibly be real, get rid of the RO and get a whole house point of entry filtration system - stop wasting so much water!

"Look the ECOsmarte folsk[sic] seem like that's exactly what they wanted to
be eco "smartie"... as in Enron's "smartest men in ht[sic] room" claim. I just have a very hard time keeping quiet when I see someone
peddling false hopes to people with needs, real or imaginary, in the
hopes of selling something that does virtually nothing."

Your tone, assertions and name-calling feel abrasive in a forum such as this. In my opinion, your assertions are based on nothing more than knee-jerk reactions to stay safely within your knowledge base. Just for a moment, open your mind a bit and consider that there may be another water solution than water waste and brine discharge. We offer a 60 day money back guarantee, which would be a really bad move for a company whose product does not work.

Wendy the Water Woman