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Butanol
How Kimosabee,
MY thought process driving this model of a residential pelletizing unit involved the owner of said unit picking up bio-mass from neighbors, job sites, road sides and friends. A custodian if you will, cleaning up and getting paid for it in the final analysis by taking care of their heat bill. The custodian aspect of the pelletizer is the beauty of the machine, the way I see it.
I have ten acres of mixed hardwoods and with the little computation I did several years ago I came up w/ roughly 1250 pounds per acre. The average weight of a hardwood cord being appro. 5,500 pounds, this roughly translates into 3 cord of btus. Which is right around what I'd need to heat the water and my future home in the winter.Taking into consideration that I didn't want the wood lot to be "manicured". Dead fall was part of the overall biomass factor, albeit standing dead trees were left for nesting habitat.
Different subject, any ideas how to produce ceramic spheres that contain a vacuum? For insulating purposes, just batting around some more ideas in the noggin.
While I like the idea of folks "picking up after others", it kind-a sort-a lacks sustainability. Like the bio-diesel idea when restaurant grease is the primary oil source.
Cool, I just did a quick mental estimation of the 1000 lb, and you computed 1250 lb (That makes me smile) My daughter will appreciate the nesting sites you leave standing.
Ceramic huh? High temperature insulation? Need more data. If money is no object, then blow the spheres with pure oxygen gas, evacuate reasonably well (<10mm Hg), sputter a primer into the cavity, and seal a nugget of magnesium or calcium into the cavity. Seal it up, then heat & tumble. The metal will coat the inside and act as a getter for the O2 gas. Sounds a bit over the top to me though. Especially for insulation... I like rock wool.
Hey Jeff,
I've been contemplating the pelletizer & burner issues for a a while, and what I keep smacking my head with is that there is just no "one size fits all" approach. In fact I've even been having a tough time with a "one size fits most" solution.
I looked at my fuel needs and let's say that it is a somewhere between a whopping 2000 lb/month in winter and 500 lb/mo in summer (dom. HW), and 1/4 those quantities.
I don't think my 1 acre produces even 1000 lb (maybe a ton if I include fresh grass clippings) of harvestable biomass per year. And most of it comes in the fall when the leaves drop.
So that sort of eliminates a lot of suburban dwellers. If I had a 5 acre plotI'd most likely have equipment intended to disperse, mulch, or tote the stuff to 'disposal' rather than storage. So I'd need a silo...
So that sort of eliminates a lot of non-farm properties. Once you get to large properties that possess harvesting & gathering capabilities, the quantities of biomass greatly exceed the private ability to consume it. That brings up back to a production & distribution model.
Long explanation to a simple thought. I'll redress the high-ash burner in another posting.
Butanol C4H9OH v Ethanol C2H5OH
The BuOH does have a smaller percentage of oxygen than EtOH, and that does give it an advantage in the KCal/mol (or BTU/lb) ratio.
It's always been more of a byproduct than a primary goal. About 4-5 months ago the phrase "bio-butanol" was all the rage. It quieted down really fast.
It may catch on as a fad-fuel, or perhaps some scientist will create a GMO that can actually churn the stuff out from any farm waste. The only problem I can see with that is if the wee-beasties get out. Did you know that the molecule that gives vomit it pungent aroma is butyric acid? Vile chemical!
I gotta say I hope it doesn't catch on. Last thing I want to think about at the gas station is "What is that horrible smell? Did someone get sick or is fuel leaking all over the ground?"
I have been thinking about pulverized & pelletized biomass as a possible fuel source for general heating purposes. I'm trying to constrain myself to 400lb of "hardware" to be able to produce 100,000 BTU/Hr in a burner/boiler with cold dry clinkered ash removal... It's getting very interesting!
CTYankee, I do understand your apprehension anout butanol. From what I am seeing regarding the world energy usage and transition periods to date, we will need niche fuels to bridge gaps. Butanol may find a place in irrigation, farm machinery, generators or perhaps road equipment. Unless a environmental and economical cure all biofuel process is devised, I believe every viable fuel stuff must be taken into consideration.
About the pelletized biomass. The "home unit" if you will is definately doable. Affordabilty for the average consumer has been my biggest gauntlet thus far. I guess I need to find someone with mechanical know how as I am an artist at heart and not a tinkerer. I also considered a high pressure "sleeve" for pellet delivery, directly to burner from exterior source, albeit, that turned into a mechanical nightmare.
Oh, I agree,
I'm not an opponent of this process, I was just trying to poke a little fun at the "air pollution" "issue" Y'a know the smell of patchouli? Personally I don't mind it. Unless I *know* the buyteric came out of a bottle (whoa!)... Same thing with mercaptans (skunk) I've used them in the lab as organ-metallic solvents... no problem, but out of a certain species of weasel, I'm outta there! Some folks equate patchouli oil it to the aroma of a dirty deadhead if you'll pardon the cultural reference. (I think it's a 4 carbon thing) My friend followed the Dead from '79-'81 until he rolled his car in PA, VA, GA, MA, one of those states with an 'A' and was busted for DUI... That how the story comes back around to alcohol & motor fuel
Do you remember K-PAX? Kevin Spacey played Prot. I can relate to Prot!
As tempting as it is to burn the fuel at elevated pressure, that's where you get into the nightmare scenario. If you gotts keep the pressure within a few inches of water +/- to keep costs under control.
The other thing to keep in mind is that any non-cooled structure in contact with fuel and oxidizer needs to have at least ~20X the mass of fuel it's in contact with to keep from melting...
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A new process has been developed for butanol production.
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